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UMCP2009
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« on: August 26, 2008, 09:21:19 PM »

Thanks for your earlier help on my internship question. I have spent the majority of the summer working for a local firm.  Unfortunately they have had layoffs due to the land development market dropping in the local area. Just entering my last year of college, I am disappointed that I have been advised that I should change my specialty interest. ??
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 08:32:55 AM »

i'm sorry to hear that you're having a bad experience. i suspect that most responses will support sticking it out and staying with your plan. if you already know that you want to work in land development, then good, stick with it. there's two important factors to consider however. (1) you have many options. in fact, it is unlikely that you will ever have another moment in your life when you will have as many options as you do right now. picture your life as an hour glass.  entering your senior year, you are entering into the neck of the hour glass. (2) know that, statistically speaking, the first job you take after graduation will likely determine what you will do for the rest of your career. choose carefully.

this slowdown is everywhere and all across the industry. it's not just in land development and it's not just in your area. these slowdowns happen. they happen in all industries and there is no way to truly know how often they will come or how long they will last. this is unfortunate timing for you but switching specialties won't protect you in the long run.

options:
(1) switch sectors. you can do land development for a consultant, a public agency, or a private developer. economic slowdowns affect each sector differently. when one is slow, another may still have work.
(2) wait it out and stay in school. you can keep going and get a masters or another bachelors degree. in land development, you may find it useful to have a law degree, an urban planning degree, or perhaps an MBA. having this broader skill set will also help protect you in future slowdowns.
(3) wait it out and join the Peace Corp (or some other such organization). this was an option i seriously considered during my senior year and have always regretted not doing. from beginning to end, it's about a 2.5 to 3 year commitment.
(4) relocate. the slowdown is everywhere but it is not as bad on the west coast and some areas of the gulf coast.
(5) relocate internationally. the economic slowdown is mostly domestic. a lot of international markets are actually growing quite well and are more stable than in the past.
(6) the USACE would take you in a heartbeat. i personally can't recommend joining the military. that is a deeply personal decision for you alone and not to be taken lightly. but the Army Corp is also an option in which you can ply your skills and not worry about the state of the industry.

good luck. and try to enjoy your senior year. it goes by really fast.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 10:05:51 AM »

Run, don't walk, to your college registrar's office and change your major.  Civil engineering is in decline as a field.  We have to struggle daily for respect as educated, licensed professionals who make critical contributions to modern life.  Our services are seen increasingly as a commodity rather than as a professional service.  There is constant downward pressure on wages, and our wages don't keep up with our peers in other engineering or technical fields.

I advise anyone who asks me about my work to avoid civil engineering.  There are better and more satisfying ways to make a living.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2008, 04:05:57 PM »

Great post Mark!  Having served in the military for 8 years I can say the Corps and the Air Force are still in need of Civil Engineers and you don't have wear a uniform to help them out![ If you want to learn more send me a note at samecollegeoutreach@gmail.com

i'm sorry to hear that you're having a bad experience. i suspect that most responses will support sticking it out and staying with your plan. if you already know that you want to work in land development, then good, stick with it. there's two important factors to consider however. (1) you have many options. in fact, it is unlikely that you will ever have another moment in your life when you will have as many options as you do right now. picture your life as an hour glass.  entering your senior year, you are entering into the neck of the hour glass. (2) know that, statistically speaking, the first job you take after graduation will likely determine what you will do for the rest of your career. choose carefully.

this slowdown is everywhere and all across the industry. it's not just in land development and it's not just in your area. these slowdowns happen. they happen in all industries and there is no way to truly know how often they will come or how long they will last. this is unfortunate timing for you but switching specialties won't protect you in the long run.

options:
(1) switch sectors. you can do land development for a consultant, a public agency, or a private developer. economic slowdowns affect each sector differently. when one is slow, another may still have work.
(2) wait it out and stay in school. you can keep going and get a masters or another bachelors degree. in land development, you may find it useful to have a law degree, an urban planning degree, or perhaps an MBA. having this broader skill set will also help protect you in future slowdowns.
(3) wait it out and join the Peace Corp (or some other such organization). this was an option i seriously considered during my senior year and have always regretted not doing. from beginning to end, it's about a 2.5 to 3 year commitment.
(4) relocate. the slowdown is everywhere but it is not as bad on the west coast and some areas of the gulf coast.
(5) relocate internationally. the economic slowdown is mostly domestic. a lot of international markets are actually growing quite well and are more stable than in the past.
(6) the USACE would take you in a heartbeat. i personally can't recommend joining the military. that is a deeply personal decision for you alone and not to be taken lightly. but the Army Corp is also an option in which you can ply your skills and not worry about the state of the industry.

good luck. and try to enjoy your senior year. it goes by really fast.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2008, 04:17:24 PM »

8 and half years into my career TSF1362 I have to respectively disagree.  The state of our nations infrastructure is becoming critical and like I said in my recent CEC newsletter article http://www.civilengineeringcentral.com/newsletterpage.php?nid=18&title=September%202008, we need people to recruit more young students into engineering rather than scare them away!

Run, don't walk, to your college registrar's office and change your major.  Civil engineering is in decline as a field.  We have to struggle daily for respect as educated, licensed professionals who make critical contributions to modern life.  Our services are seen increasingly as a commodity rather than as a professional service.  There is constant downward pressure on wages, and our wages don't keep up with our peers in other engineering or technical fields.

I advise anyone who asks me about my work to avoid civil engineering.  There are better and more satisfying ways to make a living.
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